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My father-in-law gave me a 32 cal six shot S&W revolver and need help identifying year and model as I need a part for it. Its a 32 cal lg six shot with a 2 inch barrel it has 5 serial numbers on the barrel and in front of the trigger 55278 no letters it has some moose antler with a 66 on the frame and a eagle stamp on barrel with the letter N under the eagle and it was made by Gerstenber U. Eberwein in Gussenstadt Germany so the gun says.The gun loads/unloads from the right side thru a swig out lever the cylinder is fixed and does not open or swing out in any way, your HELP would be appreciated. For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: Show Details Necessary HubPages Device ID This is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons. Login This is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
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LSB#: 130315JT03 Make: Llama Model: Martial Serial Number: S806430 Year of Manufacture: 1969-1976 Caliber:.38 Special Action Type: Single and Double Action Revolver with Swing-Out Cylinder Markings: The left side of the barrel is marked “Gabilondo y CIA. Vitoria (Espana)” and with a flaming bomb proof. The left side of the frame in front of the cylinder is marked with 2 proofs and something that looks like “Io1”. The right side of the frame is marked with the “Llama Trademark” logo and “Stoeger Industries / Hackensack, N.J.” The right side of the barrel is marked “Llama.38 Special C.T.G.”. The bottom of the grip is marked “S806430”. Barrel Length: The vent ribbed barrel is 4” in length and has an underlug for about ¾ of its length. Sights / Optics: The front sight is a ramped blade that is fixed to the vent rib on the barrel.
The front sight is not perfectly centered on the rib. The rear sight is a square notch that is adjustable for windage and elevation and pinned to the backstrap. The top of the top strap and the vent rib have a matte finish to reduce glare. Stock Configuration & Condition: The grips are checkered walnut with “Llama” medallions on each side. The grips show handling marks with light compression marks around the bottom edges. In addition, the right grip has a large compression mark on the bottom rear and a small chip out of the rear edge of the border around the checkering.
The checkering is sharp. The grips rate in about Very Good to Fine overall condition. Type of Finish: The finish is blue. The vent rib and the top strap have a matte finish and the backstrap and front strap are serrated. Finish Originality: All Original Bore Condition: The bore is bright and the rifling is sharp but shallow (the shallow rifling is as manufactured, and doesn’t appear worn).
The bore shows light fouling but no erosion. Overall Condition: This handgun retains about 96% of its metal finish. The barrel and its underlug show a few minor handling marks with a larger mark on the right side of the barrel about 1” from the muzzle.
The frame also shows a few light handling marks with a small compression on the left side below the cylinder latch and faint marks in the matte finish of the top strap. There is also a very small mark in one of the serrations on the front strap. The cylinder has a drag line and several scratches between two of the bolt stop cuts.
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The screw heads appear sharp except for the grip screw and the top right sideplate screw, which show marks of a screwdriver. The markings are clear. Overall, this handgun rates in about Fine condition. Mechanics: The action functions correctly. This revolver has some features found on high-end Smith & Wesson revolvers: wide target hammer, target trigger and pinned barrel.
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The cylinder is tight with just a small amount of play. The double action trigger pull is smooth but the single action trigger sear must have a burr on it, because as you touch the trigger, the hammer releases slightly and if you then press harder, the trigger breaks cleanly. We did not fire this handgun.
Box, Paperwork & Accessories: None Our Assessment: This is a nicely made revolver that is a very close copy of an S&W Model 15. It has a serrated backstrap and front strap, a target hammer and trigger, and a pinned barrel. The Spanish revolvers and autos have always been somewhat under-rated, and most are well made and of reasonably high quality.
This nice looking revolver would make a great gun for home protection – neither safety to deal with nor action to jam – just pick it up and pull the trigger! CA Legal or CA Private Party Transferable: This handgun CANNOT be transferred as a dealer sale in California.
This handgun CAN be sold as a Private Party Transfer (PPT) at our Simi Valley shop. All cartridge firing handguns (even C&R's and antiques) sold to a California resident must be DROS'd. This does not apply to out of state residents. LSB#: 130315JT03 Make: Llama Model: Martial Serial Number: S806430 Year of Manufacture: 1969-1976 Caliber:.38 Special Action Type: Single and Double Action.
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While I have shot a few Llama's, I passed on buying them because Spain was their factory and sales. There was an importer but I never could get through to them on the phone and they never replied to my emails.
I loved the feel of the weapons, however, but looked them up and noticed prices were about what a comparable taurus was. I'll repeat I liked the guns, just couldn't seem to locate parts or service for them. Just my 2 cents and I would urge ya to get alot of imput before letting go of your hard earned cash. Some of the older Llama, especially those imported by Stoeger in the 60s-70s, were well made and quality weapons. As the years progressed, and Spain was undergoing a lot of economic problems, a number of Spanish gun makers started having problem, and some of the quality dropped. I had a very nice Llama 1911 in 9mm.
Heavy, shot very well, and was well made. Most of it was correct 1911, but when I needed to get a broken hammer hook replaced, standard GI parts didn't work. (It came to me that way.) My gunsmith installed a new Ed Brown Hammer and another maker's SEAR, both standard 1911, and the gun was fine - but neither would work with the other stock Llama part. I don't know if anything else was not standard. I'd buy another one like that - but would be shy about buying some made from 1990-on. I'd at least get someone to look it over who knew something about guns, before buying.
The prices you quoted seem VERY high, to me. $350 - $400 would be more like what I've seen over the years. First off its good to see your interested in Spanish pistols. I my self, love Spanish made weapons. I have had a number of them, from different manufacturers, pistols and rifles, over the years. Although i have never had a Llama, iv looked at some, and shot one of them before, and came very close to getting one at onetime or another.
What is the market price for them? You would have to let us know what kind of Llama pistols they were specifically. Llama made a lot of different 9mms and.45s. As for his price being overinflated, at $500-$600 for each, to me yes his price is very inflated. If they are just standard models not customized, then $500-$600 for both sounds more like it to me. Check Gun Broker to get a better idea of prices for Llamas. How reliable are they?
Well you are right about the reviews being mixed. Llama had quality control issues it seems, some pistols are just fine and some not so much, it is a mixed bag. If you can try them out before you buy, that would be a very good idea. If they function properly when you try them, then maybe you got some good ones. But it seems to me that reliability is on a pistol to pistol basis with Llamas.
After market support? There is not any to speak of Llama, and the co-operative that bought its holdings in 2000, went out of business in 2005. Other than some things like mags and holsters, no one really makes anything for them any more, what parts are out there is all thats left. But its that way with most Spanish pistols, witch has not discouraged me from owning them. Not to dissuade you form getting the Llamas. But i would recommend if you are interested in a Spanish made pistol, to try a STAR iv had a few of them and they are very good pistols. Good prices, very good reliability, good reviews, about the same as the Llamas when it comes to after market support.
Try a STAR and try those Llamas if you can, you mite really like Spanish pistols after you do. Hope this all helps. If you'll trade any Weatherby for a pair of Llamas, contact me, I have some bridges for sale, cheap!
Had a couple of Llamas in the mid 80s. The auto was the.45 with the tiny vent rib (don't remember the model name), and the other was a Comanche.357. The.357 would reliably fire 4 rounds from each cylinder full. But not the same 4 rounds each time!:eek: The auto would extract and eject 3-4 cases from each magazine of 7. The other 3-4 you had to drop the mag and cycle the slide a few times to get them out.
Traded them to a tinkerer friend who knew what he was getting. Since then, the only Llama-ish thing in my house is an alpaca wool poncho the wife has. It actually works!;). If anyone has any mags that hold 9 rounds of 9mm, a set of wrap around pachmayr grips, or any other spare parts i need some. The grips are a little nicked up and only have one mag for it.
I do know that others have said that midway had some grips but i have not found any on their site. Mine works great we have had around 800 rounds through mine in the past 2-3 years and we have not had many problems out of it. There were just a couple FTE and FTF in this particular gun, and that's just because of a low amount of oil was on it, and it is surprisingly accurate. Shooting fist sized groups at 20 yards free shooting not rest shooting. I like mine but do not know how any other works, this is the only llama i've owned. Like others have said, Llama (pronounced Yama) made everything from junk to high quality and everywhere in between. Parts for many models are impossible to find.
Luckily, I owned one that would take parts from standard 1911 pistols (except the grips). It was a Llama 1911,.45acp with brushed stainless finish, a match grade barrel, and I used Colt mags. The frame was manufactured by Beretta and it was actually extremely acurate & reliable. Beretta built some of Llama's frames and parts starting in the late 80's.
The guy that owned it before me was using it as a match/target pistol. I paid $350 for it and, regretfuly, ended up selling it for $550. Even though I sold for more then I paid, I regret ever selling it. It was one of the better ones produced by Llama & a really great shooting pistol. It looks a little funny with the mounts & scope in place, but make no mistake, it was a performer. Does any one know if 38 super mags will work in the 9mm llama 1911? I heard that someone only uses 38 super mags in his and he said that they are much easier to find.
So i got on cdnninvesments.com and found out that he was right, they had like 7 or 8 different ones to pick from and they were cheaper than the 9mm mags. If anyone knows then please tell me, i would then have a way of getting new mags for only 12.99 a piece.(the link to the 38 super mag on cdnn). I would say he is asking 3x as much as they are worth. I have never seen any.380, 9mm or.45 Llama semi auto pistols that I would have paid more than $50.00 for.
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I just didn't (and don't), care for them, as they felt cheap, although a friend had one once, a.45 pistol, 1911 copy and it was very accurate. But I wouldn't buy it, as he wanted $200, which was $150 more than I valued it at, and that was 20 years ago. There are plenty who disagree and love Llama pistols. Then again, I love Taurus handguns, and many on here despise them. Many don't like Astra pistols, but one of the most accurate little 9MM's I ever shot or owned was an Astra A-80, a Sig copy.
I should have kept that one too.:rolleyes: To each their own. That being said, I WAS very impressed with a.357 Llama Commanche 6' revolver another buddy had about 25 years ago, and I DID want that one, but was broke at that time and couldn't afford it. Nice bluing, locked up tight, quite accurate. I have been keeping an eye out for another ever since. I aquired a Llama 9mm(has 6 shot clip 1 in chamber?)in the mid to late 70s from a friend who needed the money. At the time he told me he had never shot the gun.
I never shot the gun either. Over the years the gun has been my fathers possession, who also, has never shot the gun.
It still has the same 3 bullets in the clip as when my friend origionally got it. My father occasionally oiled and cleaned it over the last 30 some years. So I assume it's in pretty good shape. Over the years my friend has repeatedly asked to buy it back, but I wouldn't sell. Now I'm the one who needs the money. He offered me 475.00 to get back. Should I jump on it or does he know something I don't.
I love the Llama pistols. Some swear by them and some swear at them. Llama had good periods and bad periods but in the day, they were the cheaper end 1911s.
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I own around 15 Llamas and owned as many as 20-25 at one time. All of them work fine but I also work on pistols so that may have something to do with it. I also stock Llama parts. Someone asked for Llama 9mm mags. I do have several. The Llama.380 with the locked breech is truly a miniature 1911 and is a nice, little gun.
In the 70's Llama changed to a blowback design on the.380s. Llama made a lot of.38Super and 9mm Largo guns for the European market. They were very nice guns for that period. They prefer the hotter European ammo to function at their best. Don't knowck them unless you've owned them. They are a lot nicer than you've heard though they did make more than their fair share of lemons. Llama's last gasp was their Max series.
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These were the closest to the 1911 design. I have a full size one in 9mm that is incredibly nice, accuare and reliable. They also came in.40S&W and.45ACP on their full size frames.
Their sub-compact Warthog type.45 was a roughly made gun and is a hit or miss gun. The small frame.32,.380 and.22LR Max series are also nice pistols for the money. Llama's best offerings were their Especial models. They seemed to be the best made and highest quality. They were mainly made in the 60s and are worth more than the other lines produced later. Their.22LR Especial is also a miniature 1911 but is a blowback design but it looks and feels like a 1911.
Llamas usually sell for around $250-$300 and a little more for the Especial line and the really nice.22LRs get up to near $400. They are nice, attractive and fun little 1911s. If you collect 1911s then you should have a few Llama Especials in your collection, especially the small frames.
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Stoger as a firearms importer went out of buisness long ago, The name is used today by a publishing company. The LLAMA-GABILONDO Y CIA VIORIA(ESPANA) a was used on current production firearms before LLama itself went out of buisness The last production of LLAMA handguns was by Bersa out of Argentina If you do a Google search of Stoeger and read the Wikipedia entry on the company and do the same for Llama you can get a general idea of the DOM. For pistols built before 1936 the mmarking would be: Gabilondo Y Cia Eloeibar(Espana) Cal 9MM/.380IN Llama For post 1936 production Llama Gabilondo Y Cia Eloeibar(Espana) Cal 9mm.380 The best source of data would a for a fee service run by the Blue Book of Gun valuses run it thru www.bluebookinc.com.
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